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I’ve split this comment off because it’s not germane to the subject at hand. But underneath the subject of this post, and also the next one, is the matter of how one views the nature of body/brain/mind. Since my view is that the source of everything in social reality arises from an individual body/brain/mind our models in this realm are fundamental to everything we think about

I appreciated your invocation of neurobiology. As I’ve tried to elucidate elsewhere, one of my fundamental concerns is with how humankind interacts with physical reality. My view is that we are entirely part of this reality, and like every other life form, our long-term success depends on how we interact with physical reality.

A few humans have a compulsion to create models of who and where we are. Our earliest models posited beings somewhat like us that orchestrated all of physical reality, including us. About three millennia ago some of us started to have thoughts that challenged this view. Less than a millennium ago this way of thinking picked up steam. Although at present most of humankind still holds to some version of our original view, a few of us do not. For me it is not a matter of which view is epistemologically correct, but only which view is most likely to result in long term success, say over a hundred millennia. In my view a really critical part of achieving success is understanding how our minds function, that is, what exactly determines the actions we take or don’t take. It is these actions that will determine our fate.

What will success look like? First, we won’t commit suicide, which on our present course is a distinct possibility. Second, we’ll have a civilization in which most of us can create lives that are physically and mentally comfortable most of the time, and at death most of us are reasonably satisfied with our life experience.

Over the course of three million millennia many species have come and gone. Has nature so evolved the human body/brain/mind that it is capable of creating such a future? Given what appears to be happening in the last decade or so, human civilization’s ultimate success is doubtful. Perhaps by the year 3000 we’ll have more clarity.

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Hi Chris

An important piece for me. Thank you!

As usual, it’s a question of the meanings we assign to words. To argue that any mechanism that humans can ever create “thinks”, requires that we model a process we label ‘thinking’, and then show equivalence between the mechanism’s behavior in various situations and that of our model. Since my view is that the source of all human action is thought, any light we can throw on this concept is helpful

What is a thought? I claim that on most days I have several hundred thoughts. I crudely capture a few aspects of a few of these thoughts in words. But no recording of an event is the event itself. Just what a thought is, is intrinsically unknowable. It seems to me that this is just another way of expressing some of the points in your penultimate paragraph.

I use flying as an analogy. We call certain behaviors of birds and insects ‘flying’. When we use machines that can transport us from one place to another using aerodynamics, we say we ‘fly’. But what we have accomplished is only crudely similar to what a bird does.

In a few score millennia humankind has figured out how to amplify its muscle power by several orders of magnitude. Partially as a result of this, a worldwide civilization that is several orders of magnitude more complex than where we began has emerged. One promise of AI is that humankind now has tools it can use to more rationally direct its complex creation.

As our robots become ever “smarter” it is absolutely critical that we always remember that they can never think as we do, and that any output they produce is artificial and not necessarily always in our best interest.

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