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A Frank Ackerman's avatar

I think I’m sympathetic to some of the ethical principles you guys are alluding to, but your mental constructions of covid government policy and execution is foreign to me. Similarly for LGBTQ civil rights. I’m guessing that you are constructing your views from sources different from the ones I use. I wonder if you might give me a few references?

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Asa Boxer's avatar

Well stated. No doubt many were taken in by the "saving lives" perspective. But something smelled off following the "two weeks to flatten the curve." I'm reading Robert Cialdini's book Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion, and the tactics laid out there fit a little too well with how the lockdowns came about and led to the massive sale of experimental and dangerous pseudo-mRNA interventions. No doubt there are two camps, but I fear in designating them equally legitimate, we risk sanctioning a group of scoundrels who deployed psychological manipulation to gain all manner of compliance and power... and not just as a one-off, but as ongoing "new normal."

I like that you attempt to present the alien worlds in a manner that might open us up toward those who live in alien worlds. I see a lot of potential in that sort of thinking. But I am concerned that such a perspective might be misplaced. When someone is in the act of taking something from you or of forcing something upon you, or of punishing you for refusing to have certain things taken from or forced upon you, I'm not sure trying to see things from their perspective will prove valuable.

No doubt during pride month, plenty of folks are horrified to think about what their neighbours get up to in the privacy of their bedrooms and certain night clubs. But what's stoking the pushback isn't any of the horror at these alien worlds. It's that the aliens have landed and have raised their flag over every business, municipal building and school. It's that whether those of the traditional world want it or not, they are being compelled to accept things, change their habits, and moreover to like it.

Unlike the counter-culture days of the beatniks and the dirty hippies, this cultural revolution is a product of institutions (state and corporate). No one forced folks to become beatniks. People left their suits and fedoras behind to join that counter-culture. It was about individuation. What's different now is how this whole thing is being engineered using well researched marketing and compliance principles. This new counter-culture is the reverse of the 1950s and 60s. It's about following and doing what you're told because only stupid people ask questions.

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